WOMAN SHOULD BE SILENT IN THE CHURCH AND HAVE NO RIGHTS TO BE CALLED PASTOR

THIS IS MY STAND,,,,,,HOW ABOUT YOURS?

Permalink Reply by Raheel Rajani on October 6, 2009 at 12:07pm: Amen.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Jonathan Jones on October 5, 2009 at 2:18pm: A lot of the problem is that we don't really know why paul said that. We know that there were some heretics (Cult of Artemis for example) who taught that women shouldn't submit to men and so on. However its hard to see what Paul wannted us to get from this because there is so little context. It may be that they should be utterly silent in the church. this rings wrong in my soul, as God created women with beautiful voices and we are called to praise him. Also if there was utter silence there would be no way for them to ask questions. However there is very good reason why women shouldn't be pastors as most men will tune a woman pastor out simply because she is a woman where it is far less likely for a woman to tune a male pastor out. Another aspect is that if a woman has a question in the church it may reflect badly on the husband since it is his responsibility to teach his household; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Art on October 5, 2009 at 2:43pm: Yes, I can see what you're getting at. Since the text is used in 1 Corinthians 14, this is speaking of the tongue movement which was occuring in Corinth. In church, the women were prohibited by Paul to speak when this was taking place. But, because women were excluded, the movement quickly ceased. It is no surprise to the fact that the many pentecostal churches which stress tongues are led by women, or the man which leads has no problem with women having pastoral authority in churches. This is another point, however.

The Apostle writes, Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. This may seem harsh to the modern believer, but there is Apostolic wisdom in these words; as also as they are found in another passage: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Have churches been in disobedience by allowing women to teach Sunday school?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by EsThEr on October 5, 2009 at 4:40pm: yea mayb women shouldn't be alowd to be equal with men in da church but why should dey b silent. if dey were den der would be little or no growth among the women i.e thru womens ministries. alot of the time, women feel moa comfortable to discuss da bible and share with other fellow women(speaking from experience) so i dont think dey should be neceesarily silent.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Art on October 5, 2009 at 4:52pm: Yet, the Word says, Let your women keep silence; but I have to agree with you on women gathering together with women to have Bible studies, and so forth.

But, then again, Paul writes, But I suffer not a woman to teach; and, after reading this, I am now confused.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Raheel Rajani on October 6, 2009 at 12:26pm: well the whole verse does say, "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." no offense, but i can understand how one might interpret it the way you did and say that she can't teach at all and not usurp authority over the man, but i think he's implying both collectively and simultaneously, as in not teach and usurp authority over the man, because women (and men) can preach apologetically at times, and therefore would not be usurping much authority. i think Paul was considering his own mindset in preaching when he was writing this to Timothy, in how he himself doesn't preach apologetically (though, certainly not condemningly). i don't think the goal of a pastor is to actually usurp any authority over others, because man does have free will, but the implication is to preach with authority (knowing what you're preaching, believing it, practicing it, and standing firm on it without compromise).

as far as women teaching other women is concerned, i think it is appropriate (though, i still can't answer whether or not it's biblical), because there are many women that aren't married yet, may be separated, divorced, or widowed, or aren't marrying and choosing to remain single, and therefore, if they do have questions, i think it is appropriate to ask other women... maybe even male friends, but i don't really know about that one.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Krystal Michelle Martinez on October 5, 2009 at 10:29pm: Ok i believe this all has to do with customs. I think we all know that, men should be the head of the house hold, if they are Christians, and lead their families to a better relationship with Christ. Yet, how can we say that women should be silent in a church? I mean I dont know how I feel about a women pastor probably wouldn't influence me much. Plus women run on to much emotion, yet, I don think God would have raised all these women that are in the world today, if he didnt want them to speak. Point Blank, women are being used by God, so dont be silent. You have testimony, and God in your life for a reason.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Raheel Rajani on October 6, 2009 at 12:37pm: hey Krystal,
i agree with you, but the context of this discussion of women being silent in the Church is in terms of her holding the office of a pastor. sure, women can do other things, such as make music, minister to other women, go mission trips, etc. but the office of pastor (and deacon, for that matter) is for the man only (I Timothy 3).; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Art on October 6, 2009 at 7:35pm: Haymennnn!; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by CHUUCH BOII on October 6, 2009 at 12:43pm: are woman pastors going to hell than??; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Raheel Rajani on October 6, 2009 at 2:01pm: come on Peter, you know better than that--of course not! haha; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Krystal Michelle Martinez on October 12, 2009 at 4:19pm: That is what im saying alot of things in the bible are there because of customs that people had back then... So im saying maybe that is why its there.... Get me? Anyways, ive never even hear of a church that there is a women Pastor and that her husband is not in authority... Like I know in Spanish we call the pastors wife the pastora but it dosent necessarily mean that she does services or anything, shes just the pastors wife you get me?; ▶ Reply to This